← Get Involved/Quality/Brainstorming You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Users, Administrators, trusted, KDEDevelopers. You can view and copy the source of this page. [[Category:Testing]] This temporary page is aimed at brainstorming. Please move things to be done to the collaborative tool here: https://trello.com/kdetesting Ask Anne-Marie or Myriam for help if needed. = Daily Live-CD/VM image in beta phase = == Rational == Our current test approach is handing source packages to the distros, waiting for them to have packages and hope that users will install them. Distros often try building the next version for the first time with the first beta release and they need too long. When the packages hit the user the next beta is already in preparation. New reported bugs are very often already fixed and just create overhead. Distros provide the packages in a way that it replaces the stable packages, so users who don't want to use beta quality packages cannot help during beta testing. Providing a daily live-cd/vm image could help here: users can just use a virtual machine to perform testing or download the CD and give it a try. As it is a daily build we don't run into the issue that it is already outdated when the user tries it. For daily images project neon of Kubuntu could be used or susestudio. Of course maybe sysadmins could setup something to build the image directly from Jenkins. --[[User:Mgraesslin|Mgraesslin]] 18:37, 6 April 2012 (BST) I think, LiveCDs are the only way to keep this project up and running. Building KDE is always very cumbersome. Packages may fail with strange errors for which there is no solution yet because hardly anybody had experienced this before and custom packages break with the rest of the system. When I was using Gentoo, it was less of a problem (I merely had to struggle with the first issue) but since I'm using Sabayon I always have to struggle with the latter problem as well. Although Sabayon natively provides Portage for building from sources, the main package manager is Equo which only provides pre-built binaries. Building such a huge and central set of packages from sources and copying it over the existing installation can easily break the whole system and building packages is much more likely to fail due to bad or unsatisfied dependencies. --[[User:Manko10|Manko10]] 09:40, 5 June 2012 (BST) = Beta Tester need special group in bugtracker = == Rational == Developers need to know that a bug has been created by a dedicated beta tester. Why is that important? If the developers know that the reporter is capable of producing high quality reports it is not needed to do the usual developer-user interaction but it can be assumed that the bug is valid. --[[User:Mgraesslin|Mgraesslin]] 19:38, 5 April 2012 (BST) = Personalized Thank You Letter = == Proposal == Every user who reported e.g. ten high quality bug reports during the beta testing which got fixed before the release receive a personalized Thank You Letter signed by a prominent KDE developer. --[[User:Mgraesslin|Mgraesslin]] 19:38, 5 April 2012 (BST) = Competition For Best Bug Reporters = == Proposal == The users who report most bugs during the beta test which get fixed before the release can win a prize. Of course the bug reports have to be of high quality. --[[User:Mgraesslin|Mgraesslin]] 19:38, 5 April 2012 (BST) How about a badge created for testers? [[User:Mamarok|Mamarok]] = Use the forums to coordinate testing = == Proposal == Make a new testing subforum where testers (and developers) can gather. There are sticky topics with information on needed packages, info on how to submit good bug reports, links to live images, ... everything somebody needs to know to become a beta tester. Testers that found issues can open a new topic where others can quickly confirm if its a bug. There could be a weekly/monthly bug squash party for a specific component. See[https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewforum.php?f=15 Mageia Testing Forum] Or re-introduce the[http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=84473 Bug Weeks] Beta testing shouldn't only happen during the beta periods. It should be an ongoing process, so I think such a forum where developers can post their new versions to be tested (even if they have not yet been merged upstream) is an essential part of KDE quality assurance. --[[User:Manko10|Manko10]] 09:44, 5 June 2012 (BST) == Rational == Forums are less imposing to new (beta) users. Where mailing lists and irc often are a bit scary in the beginning. Testing announcements on the forum are easier to find. (not everybody reads the planet or the dot) --[[User:Mdemeyer|mdemeyer]] 14:29, 21 April 2012 (BST) Return to Get Involved/Quality/Brainstorming. Retrieved from "https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/Quality/Brainstorming"